Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. You are using an out of date browser. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. Home Forums Northern and TPE split into separate Northwest and Northeast brands. Old does not necessarily = bad. Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? It might have the operator identified in a small way too. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. 1948 -. Read about the differences between Britain, the. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. Recognising this, the Plan for Rail recommended the development of a 30-year strategy to determine how best the railways can support Britain in the future. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. Most of the coverage has focused on this. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. You are using an out of date browser. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. At the formation of British Railways on 1 January 1948, early diesel and electric locos and the gas turbine locomotives 18000 and 18100 were already painted black with aluminium trim, but by the late 1950s this had been superseded by the same shade of green that was used on express passenger steam locomotives, although some locomotives were painted in a two-tone Brunswick and Sherwood green livery, and Southern Region electric locomotives were painted a light shade of malachite green. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. Swiss rail. for some form of co-branding. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. The first Class 31 entered service in November . The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. You are using an out of date browser. [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform? Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. The name is still awful though and far too long. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. I can only see negatives. Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. Scottish rolling stock not covered by the ScotRail livery (generally those on secondary services) received the Regional Railways livery, but with "ScotRail" branding. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. Not everyone has a smartphone and when the PIS is not working, I find it good to know where we've stopped. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. [8], Class 501 train in Rail Blue calls at Harrow and Wealdstone, Class 416 train in British Rail blue/grey livery calls at Dalston Kingsland station. Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? You are using an out of date browser. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. Heh. [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. The double arrow is still overused, though. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. The UK, Britain, Great Britain, The British Isles, England - what's the difference? Press J to jump to the feed. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". Or the awful corporate blue BR? For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. The livery derived its nickname from a perceived resemblance to the internal appearance of a Jaffa Cake. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? It does look better than red. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. I really quite like that now. It really does look dire. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. But Beatties second charge is more interesting. After this time small variations in the Rail Blue livery became much more common. the handling/liability of pensions etc. The Overground operates under its own livery. For locomotives used on internal British Rail duties, a separate livery of a plain darker grey was created. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. The easiest way to guarantee readibility at night would be to use retroreflective coatings, like those used on road signs. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. The infrastructure was privately owned and operated by Railtrack from 1994 to 2002, when it was renationalised and transferred to Network Rail. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. The current lot is an absolute mess. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It'll be operated quite differently. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). Budgets and delivery will be held at the local level as well as at the national level. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. Messages: 1,398. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. I don't see what's wrong with Rail Alphabet which is rather older than the 1980s - to be frank the branding shouts 60s, a period of branding I personally like but obviously that *is* personal - although you could just use Frutiger to keep the tie in with the other large national service, the NHS ( who used to use Rail Alphabet too ). For example, GBR will apparently inherit from Network Rail the duty to run and plan the network, as well as providing online tickets, information and compensation for passengers nationwide. This opens up the possibility of a national ticketing app, with the Great British Railways branding. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. JavaScript is disabled. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. "Great" means "large", not "very good". In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. 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