Its important to understand the difference between Vince Li suffering from psychosis and Vince Li. And its just as important to understand the difference between Vince Li before July 30, 2008, who didnt understand his illness, and Vince Li now, who has all the reason in the world to understand, and treat, his illness. I am glad to take it. But Li didnt go into a frenzy. I've said it before and I'll say it again; fuck PETA. These guys can get crazier than The Guy on the Greyhound Bus. There, he spent the night on a bench outside a grocery store. I dont think it matters if youre mentally ill or not. And indeed, it's easy when the scenarios are rather straightforward: don't fire someone because he or she suffers from depression;be patient with friends and family members who experience anxiety. Most of the polled public agreed this was the right decision. Now Li moved toward the back. Presence of mind from the driver prevented Lis escape into the crowd. Mounties look into the bus in which Vince Li was holed up along with the decapitated body of Tim McLean. Terrified passengers screamed for the bus to stop and massed for the door. By continuing to use our site, you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. He moved to Canada in 2001 and obtained legal Canadian citizenship in 2006. Vince Li, or whatever the fuck he's changed his name to, deserves at the very least, a lifetime of professional supervision. They relied on expert opinions from forensic psychiatric witnesses who were clinically detached from the scene. Li wanted a victim and Tim McLean was it. It took a bit to get Vince Lis medication right and stabilize him. I too used to think of Vince Li in an extremely negative light. Vince Li knew exactly what he was doing and he remembered it. Now ask yourself if this individual would really ever consider going off his medication? How the public should be forced to take a chance on an unsupervised nut who committed the most barbaric act of public murder and cannibalism Ive ever heard of is plain stupid. McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li, a stranger who was sitting beside him, suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. There are extensive videos and transcripts available on hours and hours of a forensic psychiatrist interviewing Li and trying to get inside his head. On March 5, 2009, McLean's killer, a 40-year-old Chinese-Canadian named Vince Li, was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for the murder, and was remanded to a high-security mental health facility in Selkirk, Manitoba, where he was detained until his release on May 8, 2015. The aisle seat beside him was vacant. THE CIRCUS TRIAL OF THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY THE HALL-MILLS MURDERS, KILL DOZER MARV HEEMEYERS ATTACK ON A SMALL COLORADO TOWN. I'm looking forward to putting more of my content into audio and developing new, original podcasts on mental health topics. A forensic psychiatrist was quoted saying at Lees release hearing that, in his opinion, Li had only a 0.8% chance of relapsing. Not even God would pretend to be that precise. It was left to the system to deal with Vince Li. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Li emigrated to Canada from China in 2001 and became a Canadian citizen four years later. Vince Li is not evil; he's sick. After sitting next to McLean (who fell asleep and barely acknowledged him), Li suddenly withdrew a knife and stabbed McLean to death while numerous passengers looked on in horror. This website uses cookies to personalize your content (including ads), and allows us to analyze our traffic. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-discharge-1.3977278. 5 KILLER TIPS FOR WRITING DEADLY CRIME FICTION, ELEVEN THINGS YOU CANT DO WHEN YOURE DEAD, NO WITNESSES TO NOTHING AMAZON BESTSELLER, STEMI 5 KNOWN REALITIES OF THE UNIVERSE, WRITING DEATH SCENES / PODCAST WITH THE CREATIVE PENN. They told investigators and profilers exactly what they wanted to hear. 2012 The Associated Press. No one argued that. Create an account or sign in to continue with your reading experience. As the bus pulled out of the stop, he moved to the back, to the vacant seat next to McLean. If you are a Home delivery print subscriber, unlimited online access is, Never miss a beat in Canadian Curling with the new On The Rocks newsletter, Stay Posted on Canadian Curling with the On The Rocks newsletter, Call Vince Li ('Will Baker') what he is: A cannibal killer who beheaded Tim McLean, WARMINGTON: The Kayla Lemieux show cancelled; no longer at Oakville school, Chris Rock will finally hit back at Will Smith over Oscars slap, Maple Leafs lose to Edmonton Oilers as Connor McDavid scores two Sheldon Keefe must find right fit for new defence, NO JACKET REQUIRED: Blue Jays pack away home run jacket as part of gritty new attitude, Vince Li is pictured at a court appearance in a Portage La Prairie, Man. McLean, a 22-year-old Canadian man, was stabbed, beheaded, and cannibalized while riding a Greyhound Canada bus along the Trans-Canada Highway, about 30 km (19 mi) west of Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. And that's it. Its also existentially true that theres nothing stopping you from driving your car into a group of people, yet that doesn't mean you will. "My son died this way to shed light on the issue," DeDelley told reporters. Vince Li is a member of Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love them. He ended up in a medically induced coma and is still recovering. Heres where the system is flawed. BROWN DEATH BOSTONS MONSTROUS MOLASSES MASSACRE. Dr. Grandes True Crime Psychology and Personality podcast: https://www.arslonga.media McLean, a 22-year-old Canadian man, was stabbed, beheaded, and cannibalized while riding a Greyhound Canada bus along the Trans-Canada Highway, about 30 km (19 mi) west of Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. "I understand people are scared because of my behavior on the Greyhound bus. On March 5, 2009, a Manitoba court found Vince Li not criminally responsible for the horrific death of Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus seven months earlier. This is the same line of reasoning that would protect you if you broke the law while sleepwalking. Convicting someone for only thinking about committing an illegal act, without them actually taking any action to do so, would be an example of thoughtcrime, something straight out of the famous dystopian novel 1984, by George Orwell. Li might be a small player in the world of murders but hes not unusual. Carol de Delley is Tim McLeans mother. Shell never get over this. "I take my medication everyday. Li'sschizophrenia was undiagnosedat the time of the killing. Will Baker, centre, formerly known as Vince Li, leaves the Law Courts building in Winnipeg, after his annual criminal code review board hearing with his lawyer, Alan Libman, right, Monday, February 6, 2017. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and a victim of circumstances much like the pedestrian creamed in a crosswalk by a drunk. Vince Li, who now goes by Will Baker, was granted full discharge Friday afternoon. Once they got Vince Li in the system, the experts went to work. A few years ago, a psychiatrist at the Selkirk Mental Health Centre near Winnipeg seeking limited freedom for Li set the wheels in motion by testifying that Li had a 0.8% chance of reoffending. Some mental health advocates (and perhaps, their libertarian friends) would call it unjust to subject NCR offenders who have completed treatment and rehabilitation to any conditions. We apologize, but this video has failed to load. Once upon a time, Vince Li posed no significant threat to the public, and then he went off his meds with no one knowing. He got off, had a smoke, then reboarded. Comments are welcome while open. Thats a noble goal for psychiatry but a dangerous gamble for society. His own brain chemistry was failing him. His brain was lying to him and convincing him of a reality that was not true. Initially, he was not allowed outside, but over the years he has gained more freedom. In his mind, he and his trusty buck knife had just slain a demon. On March 5, 2009, a Manitoba court found Vince Li not criminally responsible for the horrific death of Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus seven months earlier. Its also the overall concepts of punishment, holding an offender accountable no matter what their mental state and ensuring the public is properly protected from future danger. I asked him about Vincent Li earlier this week: . You may use a different browser or device to view this in full screen. Now that Vince Li was out of the courts and jails, he was in the care of mental health care workers. Vince Li got on that Greyhound prepared to kill. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. I can't come up with any. Baker was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for killing Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus in 2008. Li was ultimately deemed not guilty by reason of insanity and sent to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre. The mother of Tim McLean, the man who was beheaded and cannibalized on a Greyhound bus, is speaking out about the decision to grant an absolute discharge to the man who committed the violent crime . Deemed not responsible. Then Li stood. Er um what Rona said. GLOSSOPHOBIA OVERCOME YOUR FEAR OF PUBLIC SPEAKING, DEMYSTIFYING SHOW VS. 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Judgment passed that Li was not criminally responsible for Tims murder due to psychosis caused by untreated schizophrenia. Its made of people with law degrees and medical degrees. The very next morning, Li sold his laptop to a boy. 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The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. Success in mental health is measured by restoring someone to a healthy state and maintaining it. Vince Li was undiagnosed before he beheaded Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus eight and a half years ago, meaning he has never had to voluntarily stick to a treatment plan. Please read the sidebar below for our rules. The public discourse around the trial has been disheartening, although I do recognize that it largely stems from ignorance rather than malice. In Canada, two elements are necessary to convict someone of murder: actus rea (the guilty act), and mens rea (the guilty mind). She's not entirely alone. They took Li to a secure hospital. Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed.). Famous killers like Gacy and Bianchi were masterful manipulators. Editorial: With no conditions, Vince Li is a threat. 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Baker was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for killing Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus in 2008. This column is part of CBC'sOpinion section. Tim was clearly dead but Li wasnt even close to finished. He knows that the medication works to keep the voices away.". The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. No one in authority listened to what impact this brutal murder had on Tims family and friends, not to mention traumatized witnesses on the bus. Li, who has since changed his name. Looking back, there were strands of fate bringing these two men together on that Greyhound bus. Li had one brush with police for peculiar behavior. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN NATALIE WOODS DEATH? Vince was granted supervised walks within his mental facility as voted by the provincial review board on the 3rd of June, 2010. When a court deems an offender "not criminally responsible" (NCR), it accepts that a crime was committed under these sorts of conditions. In 1992, Li graduated from University of Wuhan Institute of Technology with a Bachelor of Science degree in Computers. Tim McLean, 22. Call him Vince Li, or call him by his new alias Will Baker, but also call him what he is a cannibal killer who beheaded his victim in the back of a Greyhound bus, cut out his heart and ate a piece of it. DEFUND (ELEMENTS) OF THE POLICE BUT LET COPS BE COPS, BESIDE THE ROAD NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME SERIES BOOK #4, THE TRUE STORY ABOUT WHO REALLY STOLE JFKS BRAIN, WHY IT TAKES SO LONG TO MAKE A CORONAVIRUS VACCINE, WHY CASEY ANTHONY GOT AWAY WITH MURDERING HER DAUGHTER, FROM THE SHADOWS NEW CRIME BOOK RELEASE FROM GARRY RODGERS. This week, a criminal review board in Manitoba decided to lock up Vince Li, the knife-wielding man in their nightmares, in a high-security psychiatric ward for a year. On March 5, 2009, Vince Li was found not criminally responsible for the murder and decapitation of 22-year-old Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus near Portage la Prairie, Man. Published in Volume 71, Number 21 of The Uniter (February 22, 2017). "If he's not responsible for his own behavior, then the state, the government, must step in and be responsible for him for the rest of (his) natural life.". "But what would be unforgivable for me would be to not do anything to try to prevent this from happening again by the same perpetrator. This gruesome murder happened on a bus loaded with 38 passengers. Men puked. Li, who has since changed his name to Will Baker, said he heard the voice of God telling him to decapitate and cannibalizeMcLean, a fellow passenger who Libelieved was an alien. Where critics of the case have a point is in the decision to grant Li an absolute discharge, meaning he is essentially free of the justice system, rather than a conditional discharge, whereby Li would be required to stick to a treatment plan or report regularly to a psychiatrist. It wasnt only the dramatics. On 5 March 2009, his killer, the 40-year-old Vincent Weiguang Li ( Chinese: ; pinyin: L Wigung ), [1] was found not criminally responsible for murder and remanded to a high-security mental health facility in Selkirk, Manitoba, where he was detained until his release on 8 May 2015. 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The Guy On The Greyhound Bus was Vince Weiguang Li, a 40-year-old Chinese immigrant to Canada who left Edmonton, Alberta eastbound for Winnipeg in the Province of Manitoba. Li claimed he was not criminally responsible due to mental illness and the court bought it without calling traumatized witnesses and family members. The decision was blasted by critics nationwide, as Canadians asked how a man who decapitated a Greyhound passenger less than 10 years earlier could possibly be set free. Enter your email address below and get your FREE eBook IN THE ATTIC A Psychological Thriller Based on a True Crime Story. Vincent Weiguang "Vince" Li is a Chinese-Canadian man who, on July 30, 2008, brutally killed and cannibalized a 22-year old Canadian man Timothy Richard "Tim" McLean, Jr.. After being apprehended following a 1-day stand-off, Li was found not guilty by reason of insanity and spent six years in a mental hospital before being released in 2015. The Manitoba Criminal Code Review Board. Follow her on Twitter at: To encourage thoughtful and respectful conversations, first and last names will appear with each submission to CBC/Radio-Canada's online communities (except in children and youth-oriented communities). I am not at risk for anybody. Greyhound cannibal gets to leave mental hospitalJudge: Beheading suspect not responsibleBus beheading suspect pleads insanity. Bit by bit, Vince Li was put back on the street. Article content. WHATS YOUR MYERS-BRIGGS PERSONALITY TYPE? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. HAS MADELEINE MCCANNS MURDERER FINALLY BEEN CAUGHT? I also served as a marksman (sniper) on SAS-trained Emergency Response Teams, so Ive got a bit of experience around life and death. He also cut off his ear, nose, and tongue. Vince Li was born and raised in China. That's an incredibly 90s haircut for 2008. He then decapitated him and proceeded to mutilate and cannibalize his body, eating his eyes and part of his heart. The Guy on the Greyhound Bus got international attention. They got him to function in an apparently normal state and began testing his response to freedom by slowly integrating him back into society. Vince Li and the Greyhound Bus Murder (Bus 1170) - Eye Witness describes beheading (Interview) Serial Killer Minds 36.7K subscribers Subscribe 148 13K views 2 years ago On Greyhound 1170,. Its too high a risk. Please enter valid email address to continue. Thats when hellish horror happened. He could have never expected the reality that awaited him outside that Greyhound bus; he probably expected to be met as a hero. Reddit's main subreddit for videos. The defense. WHAT REALLY BECAME OF CAPTAIN KIDDS BURIED TREASURE? He wasnt in a normal, functioning state of mind when he killed Tim McLean. by Six Nations Rugby. 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