Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. You need to Register or Login to view the content In the way that we see them care for each other and their fans concerns, I really dont see how they could MEAN to hurt anyones feelings with how they might act at times. I wholeheartedly accept that I messed up on this and Im really sorry, because I feel like I sort of have a responsibility not to spread misinformation and thats exactly what I did. Daily persecution? Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Purple Backs) Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Mint Backs) CD version comes with 3 photocards. I cant undo posting it, but I regret it and Im really, genuinely sorry for spreading incorrect information and for any of the fans I upset. When you choose to spend that privilege constantly mocking and harassing people online, well, karma's going to come back to you, in some form or another. According to Koreaboo, throughout the conversations, not a single person from their side attempted to make excuses for their actions. The show is about celebrities living their daily life alone. I did include apologies though, such as Shindongs, Kangins and Zhoumis. Fandom Name - Moomoo Sub-Unit - Mamamoo+ Japanese Website Twitter Japanese Twitter Instagram YouTube Japanese YouTube Fan Cafe Tiktok I included links to everything that was on the list (some of which had been deleted - another thing I messed up on big time) and with certain things, I did include a bit of extra information (e.g. We're celebrities too but we're human first.". 21 Feb 2023, 07:29 PM. I forgot how toxic Kpop fans can be Like you all know, Mamamoo has a pretty small fan base (internationally) compared to some other idol groups. Each controversy mamamoo has had is different from the next, yet people will hold a grudge and use any excuse to keep hating them. But in this case it was obviously red, and drawn the way a clown would wear it. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotRenderEnded', function(event) { Sorry this got a bit long but I appreciate you responding. I do understand that some things which look like reaches to other people arent always reaches though. Yes theres a chance it was scripted (something I didnt include originally but will add) but since we arent sure, I included it anyway. They apologized. The post isnt supposed to be the be-all-and-end-all of offensive super junior. Solar will previal . People are accusing me of purposefully portraying all the members on the list as villains and not including their apologies. They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. but its hard not to be. Threads: 138. . And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/h0oPUHVyku, Some, naturally, came to Hwasa's defense, pointing out that her, the rest of Mamamoo, as well as their label Rainbowbridge World (RBW), have all apologized or at the very least provided an explanation for their actions in the past. Like who is the next ethnicity youre going to offend? This, combined with their Immortal Song wins, truly demonstrates just how much of an impact Mamamoo has, as their reach goes far beyond just kpop. During their concert on Friday in Seoul, Mamamoo released a. Ive said before that my intent is to provide information, and that should include context and possible explanations, and Im sorry it didnt. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. Press J to jump to the feed. | by unchangingtruth | Medium Write Sign up Sign In 500 Apologies, but something went wrong on our end. where henry addressed the gay thing (the trans thing wasnt included) and he doesnt seem to have said anything about it worrying him! I recently fell in love with these girls again after I took a break from kpop. Villain. Everyday there are tweets wishing for her to die, get beat up, fall out of planes, etc. I'm sure I'm still unlearning a lot of things today. This has taken me quite a while to write because its about 3 am and Im trying not to come across as rude or self-righteous, which I something I often do unintentionally, and Im really sorry its so long when you probably didnt even want a response in the first place. Its kinda iffy, and as a trans & queer person it definitely rubs me the wrong way :-//. Its much appreciated :-), Im KOREAN TOO, and shes lying, i will post a video with the REAL ONE and gonna call you out too.-. 9 Months of Service. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. On Strong Heart Henry revealed that when he first came to Southkorea he thought his fellow members were gay and that Kim Heechul was transgender. The Radish Farm (Mamamoo Thread) This is going to be safe space for everyone who wants to talk about Mamamoo. Goodbye! And while her more recent missteps are nowhere near what she has done in the past, they still, nonetheless, fall in the realm of what many consider offensive. But I wanted to post this just to show that colorism in VIXX is a major problem, it has been happening since debut and has continued up til now, is something that has majorly affected Hakyeon (and is not just "a fun inside joke") and is something that every single other member is guilty of. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter, and we will not fail. #1. Please think before you write these messages. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. I really dislike fat girls. A lot of it is about perspective, and privilege, but also some people have lower tolerance levels than other people. From my own judgement, the members seem like good, genuine people. Red Velvet too. When asked about it, she replied that it was an homage to Rihanna, who wore something similar in a performance, as RIhanna is one of the people she looks up to the most. They're open-minded and extremely kind people. okay so somebody sent me a link to the video (thank you btw!) hitType: 'event', media-tech companies with hubs around the world. offensive/misogynistic comments to his Cyworld account, Kai was in charge of skin color in the group, my noona is a little on the tanned side, no wonder why you guys acted like you were so close with each other, I thought the lights were not entering over there, said that he has Kai saved as Blackie in his phone contacts, in a pre-debut video with a hard -er at the end, how can you say something that doesnt even make sense?, Chanyeol asked Kai if he wanted to lighten his skin, Dont misunderstand us. And the answer is simple: Hwasa has been their scapegoat for years now. I very strongly believe that people can change and one action doesnt define them for the rest of their life, and if I dont include an apology in a post, its always going to be because I didnt know they apologised. }); omg lol at everything written under heechul. Hwasa's most recent callout stemmed from her latest comeback with the track 'Maria', a song that delved into her own struggles with mental health and being on the receiving end of severe hate. Ive privated the post because it was very poorly made and I acknowledge that, however, some of the criticism Im getting is from 1) people who havent actually read the post and 2) people who are refusing to acknowledge some of the things I did include in it. ), but I think if you look at all other successful idol groups too, there is always something similar with controversies and hate there as well. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. Also of note, Mamamoo participated in and won the 2019 Queendom, coming in first place against such idols as (G)I-DLE, AOA, Oh My Girl, Park Bom, and Lovelyz. In terms of overlooking, I'm not sure what is expected since they've apologized for their actions and speech and the apologies have been pretty prompt. Call me out for what? my bias is varied between moonbyul and solar Hip is one of my most played songs ever You must log in or register to reply here. I'm not dismissing them or overlooking them, but I know that there was no ill intent in what they did and that they're doing their best. But that explanation was also not bought by many. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Idols lives are super scrutinized, and I think many people just forget that idols are real people too. In the boy groups section, there are fans defending them for everything and even saying things like, "Come back when ___(male idols)__ abuse people, then we'll talk about them being 'problematic'." But seeing these articles faze me. The point is to provide information about things which could be perceived as offensive so that fans can decide for themselves whether or not they feel comfortable continuing to support the idols. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people have heard of the blackface scandal. Yes, we're all people, but idols are scrutinized for their every word and action, even much more so than non-celebrities). },false) What are your thoughts? Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. We have, arguably, a smaller fan base in a way - at least internationally - so its a little easier to see those hate thorns in-between the roses. I encourage everybody to keep general discussion going, but for now, Im stepping out. ga('ads.send', { I dont think people should defend what others do/say, regardless of how long ago it was, but I do think people should look at stuff in context and use a degree of common sense. 4) I included the hijab thing for Heechul because I saw muslim fans point it out and say that it made them uncomfortable. Fans welcome to spam photos, videos, gifs, to talk about Mamamoo, Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, Hwasa updates, music, content or anything. My anxiety and paranoia are bad enough as it is but they shoot up every time I post on here, leaving me feeling sick when I cant check my inbox (or when I have lots of messages) and paranoid that everybody hates me/this blog. Moomoos are also quite reserved and a bit more mature so whenever Mamamoo is criticized, you have a small group of people rationally trying to defend them. I dont make these lists with the intent of ruining the idols image or spreading misinformation (which by the way, if I do again, please call me out on it because otherwise I have no other way of knowing). I will try to work on this in the future because I dont want to portray idols as villains when theyre not actually responsible for what has happened (e.g. For me, I think controversies and hate are just the unfortunate and difficult side that comes with being an idol. Their sound is diverse, but can best be described as a mix between jazz, retro, and R&B. I read something the other day that said we forgive the people not the actions which I think is a accurate way of thinking. Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. **All colorism is bad, but i think its fair to say that whenever Tao or Kai try to deflect colorist comments onto each other, it is usually a form of defence mechanism that stems from internalised colorism. I messed up, a lot, and I honestly do regret making the post. Joined: Mar 2022 #5. So for antis to use that insecurity and exploit it daily, calling her everything from E.T. to a 'smelly homeless person' to having the figure of a brick, says everything about themselves and nothing about her. hitType: 'event', I found out that they did blackface which is disgusting and heartbreaking cause I really liked them so I stewed on it for a few days and looked again and found that they had apologised that same day 2x and that they also apologised in person the next day concert. They could learn about Korean values and customs online, but they'll never truly understand the severity of it because they're not from that culture where it's significant. You must understand that Asians are very very different from non asians in terms of being conservative, preferring lighter skin and saying that theh are not gay. That obviously didnt work too well. when in retrospect it really wasnt my place to do so and I want to say Im really, sincerely sorry about that. It's harder to get exposed to these issues that we know about under their circumstances, but once Mamamoo comes across them and understand, they'll learn from it. As for the Kris thing, Im aware its Heechuls opinion, but considering Kris left for very valid reasons (and was practically being abused by SM, as it seems many of the Chinese members were) I would say that it could be consideredproblematic to call Kris disrespectful for leaving, especially after all the shit he got from fans and the members themselves. please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. JavaScript is disabled. if(document.querySelector("#adunit")){ Others were soon reminding Hwasa once again of her past mistakes, including wearing blackface along with the rest of Mamamoo in a performance where they were parodying Bruno Mars. } Please feel free to contact me if you think Im missing anything! Hwasa, while covering the track, read the lyrics as is, leading to the gaffe. Also I see hate being normalised and even being defended its not hard if u don't want to forgive them then just ignore or block all mentions of them. They are not exactly multicultural societies vs. north america. In response to the criticisms of how I was presenting my information, they are valid criticisms. A lot seem to be taken out of context and exaggerated. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. Another chose to call out an even older incident, one in which Hwasa used the n-word while covering a Beyonc song. I love mamamoo their song i miss you is what got me into them as that song made me really sad but their songs hit different and Moonbyul is such a tomboy and i love her, I love how Moonbyul dominates this poll lmao, Moonbyul isnt even my bias anymore but I cant switch my vote so yep go dominate girl. pg.acq.push(function() { Why? It was laughable because a writer had a compilation of problematic things that idol groups did and you can very clearly see the double-standards people have for boy groups and girl groups (even the writer herself). She made her solo debut with the single "Spit It Out" on April 23, 2020.She released her first extended play : Face with its . You need to Register or Login to view the content. Posts: 310. if(document.querySelector("#ads")){ I think this is one thing that remains somewhat undecided but considering Baekhyuns track record, I wouldnt put it past him tbh. Read more about it here. eventAction: 'click_image_ads' It hurts my heart to see people bash them like that, it really does. Contents 1 History 1.1 Pre-debut 1.2 2014: Debut with Hello, and Piano Man 1.3 2015: Pink Funky 1.4 2016: Melting, MOOSICAL and Memory 1.5 2017: MOOSICAL Curtain Call and Purple This is extremely disheartening, as Hwasa has spent her entire life fighting against such backwards thoughts as that. there is nothing wrong with heechul thinking kris leaving exo was disrespectful - its his opinion, its not problematic. eventAction: 'click_adunit' now onto the list: *Anything with an asterisk besides it is a fan account and so may not be entirely reliable, though are usually fairly trustworthy. hitType: 'event', Recently the show aired a special live on the YouTube channel of I Live Alone. I made an exo masterpost and since then Ive had a lot of messages from people telling me that they no longer feel that they can bias Chanyeol or Baekhyun, which is their own personal decision, and something that they chose based on information I provided. But this often means the backlash is swift and severe anytime she puts out new content. }); As the n-word is decidedly not of Asian-country origins it would make sense that she would not know the meaning of a English word that she is quickly seeing and then singing in a song, as it is a word which takes most, if not all, of its derogatory meaning from American context. The thing is, it is not just another joke. 5) Again, I included the Kangin thing because I have seen a huge amount of fans get upset by it. In order to do that, I must describe the actions Mamamoo has done in the past that received the most vocal and widespread backlash, and then explain what happened as a result. and I know it would've been much, much lower if I didn't force y'all to give the NMIXX songs an average of at least 3.00. pg.acq.push(function() { Explore the latest videos from hashtags: #mamamooproblematic, #mamamooegotistic, #mamaproblematica, # . Apink made an exciting appearance on the recent July 1 episode of SNL Korea, but one of the show's skits featuring member Bomi has caused a wave of backlash among fans and viewers. Its quite a big responsibility looking after this blog and Im not sure my wellbeing can take that on top of my workload and personal problems. They make a difference. Theyre one of my favorite groups and its kind of annoying to see people say that Im not a fan just because I made the post. The word Hwasa has become a synonym for trash in the eyes of many K-pop fans, which in turn leads to them believing it is acceptable to beat her down as a defection of their own kpop favs. Our team is real men., Actually, we are all men, real men ah! let gads_event; I hope everybody has a good day/night. It has become commonplace to trash Mamamoo and Hwasa in particular, just another meme or joke to let slide. In this video, they wore blackface. window.googletag.cmd.push(function() { One user tweeted, "HELP I dont like Hwasa but some of yall going a little too far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too. And that isnt even getting into the worst of it. Twitter for Android 1 Quote Tweet 8 Likes Who can reply? If it had just been misheard or a mistranslation, why would they censor it? Joined: Sep 2021 #1. Mamamoo - Solar. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. Advanced Faker. Personally, from the time that I've been a fan, Mamamoo has usually apologized/acted contrite for any controversies that they've caused. I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. For those of you who might not know, Mamamoo is a four girl idol group who debuted under RBW (Rainbowbridge World) in June of 2014. Group. Siwon seems like a genuinely nice guy, and its really unfortunate that people keep spreading the rumour that hes homophobic, and Im ashamed to be one of the people who contributed to this. Thats not true. But their fans always informed them about their insensitive actions and Mamamoo always immediately apologized. 21 Jan 2023, 03:11 AM . Some people are a bit skeptic of whether or not I actually like Super Junior, which I can understand, but I would like to clarify that I do. And despite Hwasa's fans attempting to set the record straight through her own apologies and explanations, the hashtag continued to be used by many to troll the idol. I just always feel the need to resolve something when I get into it and I could see where you were coming from (plus you made some valid criticisms) so I thought Id explain myself. Even if it was a joke or a passing, it wasnt very funny. It's incredibly frustrating dealing with these kinds of people. Hwasa in 2015 said the n word in a show where she was given the lyrics but being a non English speaker she clearly didn't know what she was saying. ga('ads.send', { So i don't usually dig into controversies but I couldn't help bumping into a few recently regarding Mamamoo. As I am not muslim (and Im not sure if you are or not) I feel as though its not really up for me to say whether or not its offensive ora reach. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. }); Honestly, I would want the person that I love to be more pretty or more handsome., Culturally appropriated a Native American headdress. Maybe ive just checked really bad websites. I only made the post because Ive personally received asks about whether or not there is a Super Junior master post and whether specific members have done anything, and thought itd be easy to compile a list, seeing as thats sorta what this blog is for. But what appears to be the root of people's unforgiving nature where Hwasa is concerned is that despite past apologies and promises to do better, the idol has continued to make mistakes in the form of cultural appropriation. if he simply stated that he thought they were gay/trans, then there isnt a problem because theres nothing wrong with a person being gay/trans. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And It's Only Getting Worse. I didnt really spend a huge amount of time on that Super Junior post and I didnt properly think about the way I was phrasing things, or the information I was including. if you want to complain about me making this or ask me why i did, please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. A quick list (that is nowhere near all) of the vocal famous Mamamoo fans include: JYP (founder of JYPE), Yoo Hee Yeol (Host of Sketchbook), Im Chang Jung (senior ballad singer), Lee Hyori (senior solo artist), Hyuna (solo artist), Seulgi (of Red Velvet), Lee Dahee (actress), Wang Bitna (actress), and Kim Hyesoo (actress). As Ive said before, Im not a muslim, and I was just going off of what Id seen other muslim bloggers say. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), 1. Feb 22, 2023. "Hey remember dressing up in blackface with the rest of Mamamoo," read one tweet. My mom would like to know" while another asked, "Is mama Africa a good name for you? Anyway, I hope this didnt come across as rude or anything, but I really need to go to sleep now. pg.acq.push(function() { So to me Mamamoo isn't the most problematic groups, they are one of the every few kpop groups that take criticism and acknowledge it and learn from it. Yes I should have looked into the Siwon stuff more, because when you watch the video, you can tell he said afterwards that he was joking. I would think that all of their positives outweigh their negatives so I'm going to continue to be a fan of them and their musicand not care about netizen/fan hate against them. The song itself did not originally contain the word, but the lyrics Hwasa was using were taken off the Melon website, which did. Hwasa trolled for past racism as #AskHwasa trends, Internet asks which ethnicity she will 'offend' next. The ring around her mouth: Now a ring around someones mouth was something drawn back in the days of blackface to emphasize big lips. Again I apologise for any of the harm I have caused with this blog, it was definitely unintentional, but thats no excuse. omg?? My mom would like to know #AskHwasa, is mama africa a good name for you? Heres the thing- you can not forgive them. I didnt mean for this to spiral into an argument at all and I didnt post the post with malicious intent, though I know the intent doesnt matter all that much and that I did make mistakes. The callout, this time, however, was linked to the singer's inclusion of Latin-themed elements in her song's lyrics and music. The Official MAMAMOO 18+ Thread - The Bar (18+) - OneHallyu Hello everyone, in honor of MAMAMOOs super awesome comeback for their sassy title track, Um Ah Oh Yeh, from their Pinky Funky mini album, I have decided to create a 18+ thread for the sexy ladies of MAMAMOO. And it appears they still hold her accountable for it, largely owing to past instances of appropriation, such as wearing a durag. (Also just a little side note, I know people arent aware and I havent specified it on this blog, but please dont refer to me with she/her pronouns!